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Conversational model
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The Conversational Model of psychotherapy was devised by the English psychiatrist Robert Hobson, and developed by the Australian psychiatrist Russell Meares. Hobson listened to recordings of his own psychotherapeutic practice with more disturbed clients, and became aware of the ways in which a patient’s self – their unique sense of personal being – can come alive and develop, or be destroyed, in the flux of the conversation in the consulting room.
The Conversational Model views the aim of therapy as allowing the growth of the patient’s self through encouraging a form of conversational relating called ‘aloneness-togetherness’. This phrase is reminiscent of Winnicott’s idea of the importance of being able to be ‘alone in the presence of another’. The client comes to eventually feel recognised, accepted and understood as who they are; their sense of personal being, or self, is fostered; and they can start to drop the destructive defenses which disrupt their sense of personal being.
The development of the self implies a capacity to embody and span the dialectic of ‘aloneness-togetherness’ – rather than being disposed toward either schizoid isolation (aloneness) or merging identification with the other (togetherness). Although the therapy is described as psychodynamic, and is accordingly concerned to identify activity and personal meaning in the midst of apparent passivity, it relies more on careful empathic listening and the development of a common ‘feeling language’ than it does on psychoanalytic interpretation.
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1 Psychodynamic Interpersonal Therapy – PIT
2 Research
3 Notes and references
4 Further reading
5 Web Resources

Psychodynamic Interpersonal Therapy – PIT

In its manualised form (‘PIT’), the conversational model is presented as having seven interconnected components[1]. These are:

1.Developing an exploratory rationale

Together with the patient generate an understanding which links emotional or somatic symptoms with interpersonal difficulties

2.Shared understanding

In developing a shared understanding, the therapist uses statements rather than questions, uses mutual (‘I’ and ‘We’) language, deploys conditional rather than absolute statements of understanding, allows metaphorical elaborations of the patient’s experience to unfold, and makes tentative interpretations or ‘hypotheses’ about the meaning of the patient’s experience.

3.Focus on the ‘here and now’

Feelings that are present in the room are encouraged; abstract talk about feelings by the therapist is discouraged.

4.Focus on difficult feelings

Gently commenting on the presence of hidden feelings or the absence of expected feelings.

5.Gaining insight

Interpretations are provided which link the dynamics of the current therapeutic interaction with problematic present and past interactions in the patient’s life.
Sequencing interpretations

The therapist does not jump in with explanatory interpretations before laying the groundwork of the therapeutic relationship and jointly understanding the emotions present in the room.

6.Acknowledging change
Emotional changes that are made by the patient during therapy are offered positive reinforcement.


The Conversational Model, which has been manualised as Psychodynamic-Interpersonal Therapy[2][3], has been subject to outcome research, and has demonstrated effectiveness in the treatment of depression[4], psychosomatic disorders[5], self-harm, and borderline personality disorder[6][7]. .
[edit]Notes and references

^ Guthrie, E. (1999) Psychodynamic interpersonal therapy, Advances in Psychiatric Treatment, 5: 135-145.
^ Shapiro, D. A. & Firth, J. A. (1985). Exploratory Therapy Manual for the Sheffield Psychotherapy Project. (Memo 733) Psyschological Therapies Research Centre, University of Leeds, England.
^ Guthrie, E. (1999) Psychodynamic interpersonal therapy, Advances in Psychiatric Treatment, 5: 135-145.
^ Shapiro, D. A., Barkham, M., Rees, A., Hardy, G. E., Reynolds, S., Startup, M. (1996). Effects of treatment duration and severity of depression on the effectiveness of cognitive-behavioral and psychodynamic-interpersonal psychotherapy. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 64, 1079-85.
^ Guthrie, E., Creed, F., Dawson, D. & Tomenson, B. (1991). A controlled trial of psychological treatment for the irritable bowel syndrome, Gastroenterology, 100, 450-457.
^ Korner, A., Gerull, F., Meares, R., & Stevenson, J. (2006). Borderline personality disorder treated with the conversational model: a replication study. Comprehensive Psychiatry, 47, 406-411
^ Stevenson, J. & Meares, R. (1992). An outcome study of psychotherapy for patients with borderline personality disorder. American Journal of Psychiatry, 149, 358-62
[edit]Further reading

Hobson, Robert. Forms of Feeling: The Heart of Psychotherapy. ISBN.
Meares, Russell (2005). The Metaphor of Play: Origin and Breakdown of Personal Being. Brunner-Routledge. ISBN 1583919678.
Meares, Russell (2001). Intimacy and Alienation: Memory, Trauma, and Personal Being. Brunner-Routledge. ISBN.
[edit]Web Resources

The Australia and New Zealand Association of Psychotherapy (ANZAP) has a website: which contains several [1] resources on the Conversational Model.
Video recording (requires subscription) of lectures about the Conversational Model is available from
A brief introductory week long course on the model is run in Manchester UK twice a year in April and October. [2]